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If it was just his room maybe I could cope but it spreads to the kitchen, my tools left on the lawn, borrowed expensive aftershave, thrown about like its Brut. Actually Mods close this thread now please.

Yes that is exactly what I should do and I know it. His toys are his sports, which he plays at a very high standard and I can't bring myself to do that. I tried thumping him but that's not the way apparently. You'd just think they would do these little things . I mean loud music, lefty...

Does he keep his bedroom reasonably tidy Tom ? His undoubted talents as a young footballer are there for all to see. It's plates under his bed that would rile me more than him having the rare 'off game" Teehee.

I mean fvck it, it's only 2 or 3 plates, a yogurt pot and a couple of glasses left on the bedroom floor isn't it ?