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Well Wales are a one-man team, thus was proved by their inability to beat Israel and reliance on Bale to beat Cyprus. Go back to 2004, go thru the France team, England, Portugal, Dutch, Italy, Czech - all class sides.

It will be a travesty if the Dutch finish third and sneak in via the play-offs. They've had a horrible campaign and the players coming through look a pale shadow of their predecessors. However, it's not just them. Germany apart, I'd say almost all of the big Euro nations look weaker than they...