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It's also ironic that in 2 particular tournaments with the Golden Generation the standout midfielders were Owen Hargreaves and Nicky Butt.

I disagree. 66 caps, 14 goals, and he managed only 1 goals in his final 31 matches for England when he played in a considerably more gifted England side than the one we've presently got. Retired at 29; sure, he was great for Man Utd but the stats show Lampard has done more for club and...

What this thread highlights is the lack of GIFTED players we've had since Gazza. People talk about Jack Wilshere like he's some sort of world class player, but right now he's incredibly overrated. The likes of Steven Gerrard and Bryan Robson were already far better players at Wilshere's age...