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Actually Icy Gull, you are right, I'd vowed not come on NSC for a few days or even post-Middlesboro, when Ashley Barnes will be getting the blame...... I wish I hadn't, as I'm irritated again. Time to stop....

1. Didn't support sanctions but worked to affect change from within through negotiation - see serialisation of book. I'm not saying that she was the reason for Mandela's release though 2. Can't disagree. 3. Poll tax - Didn't think the principle was that unfair personally. Basic principle of...

Yes and judging by the news feed, those dancing weren't even alive in the 80's.

But clearly to affect change you have to be involved rather than isolated. It wasn't sanctions that got Mandela released.

Me too! I'm embarrassed that some of the morons on here support the same team as me. God help us all. I really enjoy NSC but tonight I am closing to finishing with it. I never thought I'd use the 'ignore button', but I have........

So the country was thriving and prosperous then? Presumably that is what you're saying......

Short term boom for a sustained period I would suggest and arguably for the tenure of her leadership. Labour tried to follow with the PFI schemes and they are proving to be a burden.

Its not debatable at all, the country was a mess when she took over. However, it should be remembered that Ted Heath and Harold Wilson also played a role in its demise as well as James Callaghan.

It was Mrs Thatcher that privatised the utilities, however, I wouldn't say the Gordon Brown gold argument is peanuts! Initially the privatisation worked if you remember, people made profits if they invested..... It just went too far.

Ridiculous, completely the opposite actually. She was working on getting rid of Botha..... Article in Sunday Times only last weekend.