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I was there for that match as it happens (the Cardiff end I assure you). Bar the 'ultras' in the corner and the Welsh contingent, the crowd were as quiet as mice.

I don't disagree the play-offs point. There were some ridiculously complacent posters prior to those games but being quite honest, had Holloway stayed I think you had a chance of challenging Derby's 07/08 points total. I recall even some Palace fans writing themselves off. It wasn't until a...