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Quite, save of us from the superfans, who too often use their piety to shut down any discussions

Your examples do show the dilemma though. Liverpool have lost a player who could well score 30 prem goals even if he plays no games before November - if they slip out of top 4 spots this season, that will be a bad deal on their part. That was a huge amount of money for Bale but Spurs have...

One senses this thread isn't going to be a model of socratic debate