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You do love an argument, don't you. :lolol: That bill last night was brought down by the ERG and the DUP, and Grieve's bunch couldn't have stopped it if everyone else was united. If you're trying to make the case that Remain-supporting MP's are stopping Brexit, you're wrong. They will stop a...

Yes. Including the prime minister. But thats not what you and I are debating right now. There is a majority in the house to vote for Brexit. They just can't decide what kind of Brexit to vote for. If all the Brexit-supporting MP's had joined the government in the vote last night, the motion...

But loads of them voted with the government yesterday. Ken Clarke, for example. It was the Brexiteers that brought yesterdays vote down

I believe it would have passed if all the Brexiteers voted for it. Including the DUP. There is a majority in the house for Brexit

always. But its true, for all the criticism of those of us wanting to keep the UK in the EU, we could have been shut down once and for all yesterday. And we weren't.

Nah, far too much whataboutery in your position. Leave wins, its very clear that the people want Leave. Plus, we will know what kind of Leave people want. Remain wins, its clear the people have seen whats happened in the last 3 years and have changed their minds Either way it will leave the...

Then with a heavy heart I will accept it. Its really not a complicated position.

You had a chance to leave the EU today, nothing I or any remainers could have done about it. The Brexiteers didn't take it. So I think we can consign the 2016 referendum to history now. We need to resolve this issue, and a second referendum is the most democratic way to do it

We will replay this game, next season. Ironic the comparison with Russia and China. One decision has been made, three years ago, and now you are demanding an authoritarian respect of that decision, shutting down all debate, any chance to revisit the decision, opposing views - if anything in our...

If you're not a Leaver then I'm shocked, absolutely shocked !! !! :lolol: :lolol: Democracy is not perfect and sometimes decisions are made by the majority that are just wrong. Democracy, more than anything, should be there to protect the minority from decisions made by the majority that will...

The first referendum majority was democratic, of course it was. But the winners still have to implement what was promised, and if they don't we get to vote a second time and can change our minds IF WE CHOOSE. Just like in a general election, if one party promises, I don't know, say an extra...

If we can agree to have a second referendum, I'll call it whatever you like sweetie :thumbsup:

I wouldn't worry about it. Those of us who are pro-EU have had to put up with the bullshit from the Eurosceptics for decades. It will just continue, but so what. If there is a majority for Remain in a second referendum, then it is quite simply IMPOSSIBLE to argue that that is undemocratic. And...

True, but I also think people have to be seriously challenged not to realise that 'People's vote' is the moniker that's been given to a potential second referendum

Good isn't it :thumbsup: :)