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alright cheers, I'll give you the last word. As a beleiver in atheism I think I have fulfilled my duty to remind non-believers that there is no God :wink: take care and enjoy the game on Saturday

Mate, I'm not going to drop this one so easily. Its easy to hide behind the bible being God's Word, we're never going to agree there, whatever. But address the issue, is it OK for old men in vicars clothes to threaten children with an eternity in a fiery pit if they don't say their prayers or...

Yes you're right. Its not only religion that is a force for bad. Greed; Desire; any of the seven deadly sins, whatever. I'm merely pointing out that religion is one of the reasons people go to war and slaughter innocents. lets face it, an Army with God on their side is unbeatable! I'd like to...

I have sympathy with a true 'good' religious person in the nature of so many problems. And you acknowledge that leaders of religions can use that power to make people do evil, so fair play. It becomes a zero-sum game I suppose, would be better off without it? Incidentally one theory that Dawkins...

Yes, I think you've made a fair point there. I feel like I'm right though, but can't quite put my finger on how :lolol: I'm trying to think what the 'good' equivalency of suicide bombers is though; or the good equivalency of the crusades; or the good equivalency of telling small children that...

The good done by religion tends to be the kind of good that's also done by non-religious groups such as the Red Cross, or Youth clubs or schools. I won't deny that many churches and mosques and synagogues can do lots of good within their community, but I tend to think that its largely good...

If this continues tomorrow it might be interesting to have a discussion on the nature of 'proof'

There are no stupid questions, only stupid answers Which is interesting. I expected far more agnostics, whereas most people either say they are atheists, de-facto atheists or theists. Its agnostics that do my head in. People who don't understand what is meant by 'chance' and 'proof; sit on...

No need to get angry mate, many perfectly good people are religious, no doubt including the ones we're arguing with here. Its frustrating that they are so intransigent in their arguments but that's the nature of brainwashing. There are many on here who would go to their graves convinced that...

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Hello. I was created in my mothers womb by the magic of reproduction. I have no problem following that logic all the way back to the Big Bang; what caused the Big bang is probably some boring mathematical thing to do with probabilities and Relativity and energy existing in a potentiality - I...

I don't know if this question has been asked yet amongst the 1200 posts here, but if God created the universe, who or what created God?

I'm happy that 48% of people know what they believe, more than I expected. The remaining 52% who are uncertain need to get a grip