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  1. Igzilla

    Italian Constitutional Election - Dec 4th. Potentially another BREXIT/Trump moment?

    Then I suggest you go and live in Switzerland.
  2. Igzilla

    Italian Constitutional Election - Dec 4th. Potentially another BREXIT/Trump moment?

    I didn't actually specify that only tyrants and demagogues initiated them, though don't let that stop you making assumptions. Quite often, they aren't in power and use them to skew the debate to promote their own particular brand of lies. Read up about the Savoy plebiscite as a classic example...
  3. Igzilla

    Italian Constitutional Election - Dec 4th. Potentially another BREXIT/Trump moment?

    There were referenda held in 2004/5 over the EU Constitution in Spain, France, Luxembourg and Holland. France and Holland voted No, but neither were "re-run" and the EU Constitution was then revised and rewritten as the Lisbon Treaty.
  4. Igzilla

    Italian Constitutional Election - Dec 4th. Potentially another BREXIT/Trump moment?

    :facepalm: Only Ireland held a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty, which was rejected initially (53% vs 47% on a 53% turnout). Research showed people were unsure what it all meant. This delayed the ratification of the Treaty until Ireland had negotiated some specific guarantees and the re-run was...
  5. Igzilla

    Italian Constitutional Election - Dec 4th. Potentially another BREXIT/Trump moment?

    Sadly, use of referenda and plebiscites are favoured tools of demogogues and tyrants to give their extreme views a thin veneer of democratic legitimacy. Even Thatcher could see that.
  6. Igzilla

    Italian Constitutional Election - Dec 4th. Potentially another BREXIT/Trump moment?

    It was an election, not a referendum. Two different things. Though, guessing by what you said, you're cool with voting fraud even where the Austrian Constitutional Court found clear proof of the electoral laws being broken. But hey, that's democracy, one side wins, the other has to shut up, yeah?
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