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I can see what you’ve done there. I look up to them both.

Why don’t you go read the book yourself and report back? We can reconvene this discussion then. Which reminds me, I never did read Down and Out in Paris and London.

Possibly........ :smile:

I did not say anything about who chooses....my point is more about the signifiers of class. You said yourself, you have not read The Road to Wigan Pier, it's a good read and it's from where the basis of my ideas and views on class where formed. Maybe I have not explained myself...

You're not understanding the point. It will take quite a stretch of most people's imagination to believe that JRM has working class beliefs, values and traditions.

We will have to agree to disagree. My values, beliefs and traditions are working class. Having a manbag and enjoying a nice meal does not change this. As Nicky Wire said, being working class is not about eating sausage and chips every day.

It’s from The Road To Wigan Pier, not 1984.

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What big savings? What excessive paperwork? You need to back this post up with some detail.

Which contradicts his ( @dsr-burnley) earlier assertion that funding isn’t an issue.

I remember those two shops, as well as the off-license, which completed the trio. Jayne's was a classic sweet shop with jars and jars or sweets on shelves behind one of the counters...a 'quarter' of crispets was a favourite of mine ...purchased with dinner money. Happy days!

Ah yes, the knickerbocker glory.

As a child, burgers and fizzy drinks were treats. We never had fizzy drinks in the fridge and my parents elevated the burger to something akin to a steak, only to be had occasionally or at the Wimpy.

I disagree. You can have rich working class and poor upper class people.

I sincerely hope I’m never defined by my job or owning a property. This seems rather sad to me.

I have always agreed with the George Orwell idea that class is based more on your values, beliefs and traditions than wealth. With this in mind I have always felt I’m working class.

I've met people like this as well.

Same here with vinyl and gig tickets.

My “made it” moment was when I moved to Camden and was able to walk home from the Kentish Town Forum after a gig. It wasn’t a moment of feeling wealthy, more a moment that something which was important to me had come together.

Being rich is being able to do this in Waitrose.