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Possibly, but it doesn't alter my point.

The tipping point for me voting Corbyn was that he felt a party should not bend it's policies to match the electorate ie compromise for votes. More they should decide its policies and then go out and convince the electorate their way is the way forward. Whilst "millions of these chaps" will...

I appreciate I can't dismiss voting for the individual out of hand, our very own Caroline Lucas is probably a good example. I'm prepared to bet that quite a few voted for her as opposed to the Green Party. My thinking on this matter isn't a perfect fit but little in politics is.....ditto with...

My take is that the electorate are voting primarily for the Labour Party and their policies. Are the electorate really voting for the individual candidate? Or are they voting for party and policies the party stand for? It's the latter. Consequently MPs should listen to the party members.

Fair points. One thing the current situation has made be do is think/re-think who the MPs should respond to and I'm coming around to the idea it's the party membership primarily.

And wtf has happened to Stella McCartney's face?

Good riddance to them.

Probably drive fancy cars as well.

I can think of quite a few items I'd spend 12bn on; bombers are not top of my list though.

It's definitely hope; it would be foolish of me to "expect". What is clear to me is that something different is happening. My own experience is interesting. I'm a founding member of an international branch of the party. We had just 3 members and struggled to get anyone else interested/join. But...

This is politics I'm afraid. I have never subscribed to every Labour policy, in fact I have strongly opposed a few. And I actually think the Tories are stepping in the right direction on the buy-2-let tax.

I'm pleased you can feel my love :thumbsup: I think it's way to early to judge Corbyn's Labour. It's a radical change of direction and philosophy and there will be some pain and bloodshed. I'd be more worried if there wasn't. The party will take a while to settle. Time will tell.

I totally agree. It's totally and absolutely up to the voters. They can vote for anyone they want. Equally, we the Labour Party can vote for who we want to represent us. Just because we might choose to change who represents us, or deselect as some might say, it doesn't mean the deselected person...

I prefer "odd and random" over self serving selfish ****.