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You should really end this with "neeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"

Speak for yourself. Or have I just proved your point? :smile:

Your narrow minded view and application of financial/job value to degrees does imply and certain level of anti-intellectualism though does it not? And going back to your comment about dismissal....why dont you pop into the Politics and History department of your university and explain how you...

Which uni do you lecture at out of interest?

Chemistry, Physics, Biology and Toxicology are of no direct use to me and my work. Shall I dismiss these just like you are dismissing subjects which do not apply to your particular field?

Good points which I support. The field I work in you would expect most people to have a mathematical background but I am quite amazed at some of the seemingly incompatible degrees people have. A degree shows certain talent and skill sets; talent and skill sets which are usually transferable...

Totally agree with this. I have always felt the attitude Jakarta presents is rather anti-intellectual as well.

Totally agree, as a card carrying Labour party member :wink: And what interests me is that the view we have is shared by many Labour and Tory voters I know.

Your point is not relevant to the discussion though. We are discussing base working terms and conditions in the unskilled sector. These jobs will always exist. It is simply impossible for everyone in this sector to to move on/up even if they wanted to as there are not enough skilled jobs. As I...

You are missing the point spectacularly.

We are discussing a living wage, not the average wage. Adults should be paid a wage they can live on.

Average of 40 hours per week on a decent living wage. If folk want to do a bit of over-time fine. Having to work 80 hours every week is wrong in my opinion.

But your posts certainly approve of this life style. You cannot deny this.

Very much this.

Do you have any time to "live" after an 80 hour week?

Do you really feel it's "great" that someone has to work 80 hours a week? Sad.

I don't agree with any of this and I have answered most, if not all, of your points in other posts.

Interesting that you don't value the treatment of people in the same way as you do cats.

Best wishes and good luck with your new venture.

Because if you're paying staff a shitty hourly wage which they cannot live on and which is most likely being subsidized by the tax payer via tax credits then this isn't the true market price. The price is dictated partially by government subsidy.