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No one denies that they have a problem with guns, as we have a problem with knife crime, but your ridiculously wild description just writes off so much good that the Americans have to offer. I am pretty certain that 250,000,000 Americans would not describe their country as you seem to expertly...

A huge country - totally written off in 5 words.

With respect, you are missing the point. I did not claim that it does not work, and the fact that murders do take place, clearly shows that the fear of the death penalty is not a deterrent for some. I agree. But what we do not know is how many are put off by the thought that if they murder...

I don't know, and nor do you if it is an easy way out or not. Why do you come up with such a the conclusion about cost? Do you know is this is the case? What evidence do you have for this? Any why can't the studies take place before their ultimate punishment? This is just pure speculation.

Convenient stats of course, just taking a few states. I assume you mean me personally; no, I am not out for revenge at all, just saying that you cannot be certain about the deterrent factor, as you don't know how many folks have been deterred?

I don't think you can say that with any degree of certainty. How do you really know it doesn't work? Yes, murderers took the chance in this country prior to the abolition of the death penalty, but how many potential murderers were put off by the threat of the noose - you can obviously tell us...