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That isn't my point. My point is they need to work on being known. Hopefully that will happen (and I mean, known for gravitas rather than for calling people 'scum'). And I say all that as a Labour party member, not a pinch-faced Daily Express reader threatened by 'coloured' people and 'weirdos'.

Very good post :thumbsup:

Is he the love child of Denis and Austin? ???

Edit - I just looked them up and I have heard of only half of them and know something about only 3 or 4 of them. Crikey!

Indeed. I like his non-confronational approach, but if there is open rebellion from a shadow cabinet member he will sack them. I suspect that's why that twerp walked the other week. I like the fact that he is not focused on 'internal' issues (so boring), and it will take time for new labour...

Mate, outright civil war? Really? I loathed Corbyn, but things have moved on. It matters not there are some characters sniping in the wings. Jon Lansman being sniper in chief. Have you seen him lately? Overweight alcoholic residing in Cornwall where he can't even strategise his ambitions on the...

In his conference speech he explicitly referred to Brexit as not reversible, hence the quip from pot gnoodle about upsetting people on NSC, and the follow up conversation. My main point was to question gnoodle, for mocking non-existent posters for their non-existent outrage at Starmer's 'new'...

Thank you. If watford Gap is displeased that Starmer has not promised to reverse Brexit (I haven't noticed whether this is the case or not), that's fine by me. I can think of far more interesting things to speculate about. It seems that the hard left hate Starmer and the hard right fear him...

No, if you are going to make accusations, back it up - or shut up. And it's you that's implying. I'm inferring.

Changing the subject as usual. You are becoming just like das reich. Fancy that ???

Who on here? It's too late to turn back the clock. Everyone knows that :shrug: Would you be happier if Starmer had vowed to overturn Brexit? Given that this would make labour less electable I'm sure your answer would be 'yes', given the tenor of you posts in the bear pit. So, thank you for you...

OK fair enough. I'm a bit surprised by your take, but perhaps I'm allowing hope to triumph over expectation :thumbsup:

Did you vote for Blair? Did you rejoice at the passing of Corbyn? I did both and I'm very pleased with today's conference speech and have hopes for labour going forward. I presume you didn't listen to Starmer's conference speech then?

Crikey. Tell me, who was labour leader the last three times you voted labour? I am guessing you are not on a wind up, so some clarification of your reasoning would be much appreciated, so that at very least I can learn how to re-educate myself.

Quite. This is being sold in parts of the media as 'Labour Split'. This includes the BBC, with the Drive programme in 'overdrive' this afternoon, which is fine by me (but makes a mockery of the right wing 'de-fund' the BBC cretins). Labour split? ??? Far from it. Starmer gracefully saw off a...