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  1. Harry Wilson's tackle

    [Politics] Proportional Representation

    Oh, and I think we need laws to define when a referendum can be called. 'To save my sorry arse' (Cameron) should not be part of that rubric.....
  2. Harry Wilson's tackle

    [Politics] Proportional Representation

    Cheers. One point. To get UK citizenship today (and at least 12 years ago) you first have to pass a citizenship test that has a language component. My son (born in Canada, and too idle to get his automatic citizenship when it was available and he had an entitlement) had to take the test. I...
  3. Harry Wilson's tackle

    [Politics] Proportional Representation

    Exactly my concern.
  4. Harry Wilson's tackle

    [Politics] Proportional Representation

    Interesting points. I am more than happy to consider such erudite hypothecating. Especially with it being completely devoid of the common complaint of PRers that the FPTP system is unfair to the liberals because it makes it impossible for them to win. I am open to the argument it leads to...
  5. Harry Wilson's tackle

    [Politics] Proportional Representation

    I understand what you are saying but the two things I disagree with are this. Letting Farrage have his deserved 80 seats gives him legitimacy. Pary political broadcasts. His voice and his baying hoards every day at question time. That is how (ahem, I stand by for the usual sneering) how Nazi...
  6. Harry Wilson's tackle

    [Politics] Proportional Representation

    I love your work, but this is naive. 'Made' by whom? We don't have an overseer or god who can make people do things. Regarding your first point, I presume you mean that a quarter of the electorate voted for a party and only 10 out of 600 seats were won by them in parliament. I presume you feel...
  7. Harry Wilson's tackle

    [Politics] Proportional Representation

    OK. In response to you and Blue3 and Half Time Pies, this is what I think. My preferred system would involve the following: A. The franchise 1. In order to vote you should have to attend and pass course on citizenship. The syllabus need not be complicated, but it would involve citizens...
  8. Harry Wilson's tackle

    [Politics] Proportional Representation

    With time everything gets stable (if it doesn't go bang in the first minutes). Dictatorship can be stable (hello China, hello the Catholic church). But if starting from square one in change, nothing is stable. Things are what they are and it is tough to invoke a rightous change especially if you...
  9. Harry Wilson's tackle

    [Politics] Proportional Representation

    That won't work ??? What about cutting off the goolies? ???
  10. Harry Wilson's tackle

    [Politics] Proportional Representation

    That's democracy. I realise this isn't what you intend to mean but what it boils down to is: why are you or I entitled to be represented by our favourite guy and other people not? Only one candidate can win (unless you have ten MPs per constituency selected according to proportional vote - worse...
  11. Harry Wilson's tackle

    [Politics] Proportional Representation

    Absolutely not. It would give that psychopathic clown Farrage 80 seats. FPTP is like a democratic shock absorber that precludes wild lurches from left to right, followed by a fragmented mess where coalitions are bought and sold by minority extremist parties (see Israel) or degenate into a mire...
  12. Harry Wilson's tackle

    [Politics] Proportional Representation

    1. Because 30 is a bigger number than zero. 2. See above 3. Even if this were true wrt point 3 (which it isn't: "Godwin's law itself can be abused as a distraction, diversion or even as censorship, fallaciously miscasting an opponent's argument as hyperbole when the comparisons made by the...
  13. Harry Wilson's tackle

    [Politics] Proportional Representation

    Why? and.... Why? :shrug:
  14. Harry Wilson's tackle

    [Politics] Proportional Representation

    While I deplore thicky voters, it would be wrong to take away their right to vote. What next? A grammar exam and a history test (MCQ) on the history of the Albion before you can join NSC? **** me, do that and we'd have nobody to sneer at.
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    [Politics] Proportional Representation

    Special conditions (see above). Also, where there are two lost wars and a history of fascism there is a will and a way.
  16. Harry Wilson's tackle

    [Politics] Proportional Representation

    As sevral have pointed out, PR is duff for 3 reasons: 1. You NEVER get the government you voted for because coalitions require partis to compromise, thn the peeople who voted for them feel chated. Look what the last coalition (university fees, was it?) did for the Libdems (it did for them). 2...
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