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The OP has still not edited the ambiguously punctuated thread title?

I let my withering scorn get the better of me, and started enjoying the weft of my prose a little too much :lolol: Maybe I should leave the comedy to Thunder Bolt after all....:flameboun

I think you mean 'if' we stuff (etc). For 'when' to be correct we'd need to also suffer a 3 point deduction. Still, if CH loses his shit again, runs onto the pitch and punches the ref in the chops, while Murray does a massive dump between the Holmesdale End goal posts, and our supporters burn...

I don't think this can be resolved by a poll because it isn't a matter of opinion. It is a matter of fact. And the fact is we shall never know. Unless the OP tells us what he/she means. Nevertheless it is either statement or a question. As a statement it is false. It is akin to the endless...