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I think I'd like to add a comment, directed particularly at the ordinary, decent Tory voter who may feel has been pitchforked into a ditch by the anti tory opprobrium floating around now, of which on NSC I have contributed, with some vim. It must be very disappointing and uncomfortable to...

If we set aside how big an existential problem immigration (legal and otherwise) is, and (a slightly different issue) how we deal with asylum seeking, it IS a political issue, because the tories have weaponized it. However, I completely agree with you that the only way of dealing with the...

You misunderstand. I am afraid that it is all about party politics. I am criticizing the weaponization of immigration. I do not think that it is 'out of hand' or that this concept of 'failure to control our borders' is remotely useful. But it isn't me who is claiming this. The party who says it...

It was always the case that the campsite in France and the relentless attempts by folk to steal a way across the channel was totally f***ed up. The people were in France, mostly 'illegally' with perhaps grounds to seek asylum. Yet the French left them be as they plotted a flit to Blighty...

"Suella Braverman has said the pressure on public services from migration is "unsustainable", after figures estimated record levels last year. The former home secretary said the government must "act now" to cut the numbers coming to the UK." What she didn't add was "We have been in power now...

Nothing more appealing to the slightly worried 'newcomer' than the prospect of the ladder being kicked away from the budding competition. And in the meantime the slightly worried 'newcomer' becomes a useful idiot, complicit in the Tory game. I am looking forward to a new law that makes it legal...

No, sadly. The Tories put a stop to most of that. Hence the NHS staff shortages. However, Rees Mogg today was proposing we should get tougher on immigration by blocking the seasonal workers, like those who deal with most of the fruit picking here in Kent. In order to get the fruit picked he...

So am I. But the person who originally posed the question is not interested. It was pure whataboutery. The sensible answer to your genuine question is that we will have to wait and see. My expectation, for what it's worth, is that Labour will struggle, but I have some expectation also that...

Edit: simplify - why are you insulted?

Yes, but you can't criticize the Tories unless you can spell out what Labour would do. Apparently. What utter wank. You can't criticize Hitler unless you can explain what the Jews would do. FFS. :facepalm:

Apparently it has just reached yet another all time high. This thread was started in 2014. Lots of people vote tory because they are 'anti-immigration'. Let me tell you. The Tories are not anti-immigration. They don't give a f***. It is just something to weaponize. If you enjoy being lied to, of...