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You see! Southern. Spreading joy for everyone.

It's about protecting their brand. They have to cancel some services, otherwise you wouldn't know it was Southern. Sent from my iPhone in a non-Calde world :-(

Sorry? Labour? Who are they?

That's true, because there will be aspects of training that the OBS will not need - hence it won't be to the same level. However, that does not mean that in aspects of track safety the OBS will be any more lacking in safety training than the present guard. As I say, if Southern believe in...

Starts well, then gets a little lost and confused, then comes back to some sense. Also, his argument is equally misleading in points. For example, he states that the new OBS role will not be trained to the same level of track safety as a guard, and yet Southern have said the following in a...

One assumes that if Southern back down (which they won't) over the issue of driver only operated trains, that ASLEF will immediately ballot all their members on the 30% of driver only operated trains across the UK? I'm fully supportive of a second member of crew on board a train. Frankly, I...

How do you know they won't be trained to the correct degree? What's the link between dispatch and onboard safety? Are you seriously suggesting that individuals will not be able to undertake safety responsibilities just because they no longer control the dispatch of the train? When DOO was...

What about the Office for Rail and Road, that reports decreases in the number of passenger injuries at a time when passenger journeys are on the increase and the number of driver only operated services has also risen to nearly 1 in 3...

Total bloody disaster today. Up at 6am to catch the early train and, no trains. OK, this is down the engineering works and outside Southern's control, but it's the straw that breaks the camel's back. I know engineering is planned, and we don't know what problems were unearthed - because...

As far as I can see, Southern are trying to reduce disruption. The RMT are starting to lose me here. What is their problem? It's not disability rights or safety. They are using their members to retain union power. That's what it looks like.

According to the 8 point plan in this thread Southern are guaranteeing that they will not be removing a second member of staff from the train. The only reason a train would run without a second member of staff would be in exceptional circumstances. The key line in the 8 point plan is this 'full...

Just trying to simplify things here, but if GTR were to just drop the name On Board Supervisors and let Guards be called Guards, and if they placed a Guard on every train and beefed up their On Board responsibilities, then I'm assuming that the RMT would have no problem with this? Also as...

I've just booked a hotel room for Monday night. I'll work from home on Weds and Friday, so I just have Monday morning; Tuesday evening and Thursday to contend with. 4 trips instead of 10, and a £100 bill for the hotel. I know I could battle my way back on Monday and in again on Tuesday, but I...

I think that is just gossip. Knowing as I do someone very senior who worked on the bid - and is now no longer a part of the sorry management set up there - they very much did want to, and thought they could win the bid. And the did. Also, I am no GTR apologist - having been told by Caroline...

Friday night was carnage. How Horton is still in a job I don't know. My suspicion is he is doing dirty work for the government in taking on the unions. Claire Perry the rail minister shows no signs of truly taking GTR to task.

I see. But you'd agree that the directors have a huge responsibility for all this. I feel that Southern was a better outfit before this mega franchise was agreed and the new leadership came in. Sent from my iPhone in a non-Calde world :-(

I don't think that's true Ernest. I believe only 3 of the board were on the old Southern board. Regardless of all that SASTA and its staff have excelled themselves tonight with their appalling service. It's untenable. Horton should be made to resign. Sent from my iPhone in a non-Calde world :-(

That is bloody appalling. Have you dropped Caroline Lucas a line? She is gathering as much commuter evidence as possible. It only takes a second to drop her an email. caroline.lucas.mp@parliament.uk

Nick Soames would need an entire carriage!

Bloody disgrace. Let's get the evidence and get this shower shown the door.