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Which was sneakily allowed to become law without the approval of those nations which had rejected the original. That is one of the reasons that so many people have become disillusioned with the EU.

There were other referenda called by countries in the EU, from the top of my head, Danish and one in France. My point is that just because referenda have been used by demagogues etc, it doesn't follow that this is always the case. I have to say that I am increasingly of the opinion that they are...

What a disgusting person Lord Dick Tavern is.

Yeah David Cameron and Renzi are demagogues and tyrants of course. Not to mention many other EU states leaders who were in power for the Lisbon treaty referenda elsewhere. Note, all these took place whilst in the EU and the EU has been quite happy for re-runs of referenda when the results didn't...

Don't you think it's just a tiny bit undemocratic to hold a referendum and then when the result isn't the one you wanted, try to have another in order to achieve the 'right' result.

It is entirely possible that this is one more step towards the EU fragmenting. Lots of remain voters here have castigated the way things have gone since Brexit. 'Things are happening way too slow' has been bandied about a lot. Or when it suits, 'the pound is getting trashed, it's in freefall'...

Interesting result that. From the BBC: 'The result is sure to be welcomed by establishment parties and officials in the European Union.' Interesting to me anyway as there are remainers on here protesting that Brexit was not an anti establishment vote.

It could be considered a Brexit moment as voting against the government could possibly undermine the stability of Italy's banks even further. Italy being forced to leave the Euro could well cause the whole project to come crashing down. I would rather that than the Le Pen scenario.