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13 games to go. We know we WON'T be relegated. Two games ago we needed freak results, with lower placed teams beating higher placed ones in order to share out the points so that 21 teams could (in la-la land) finish ahead of us. This hasn't happened - reckon we're probably even mathematically...

never! :)

I used the 'make the team with the lower league position win' - that's what you suggested as a means of evenly distributing the remaining points. Oh **** it, I'm not going there again! - I admit to being wrong about us being mathematically clear of relegation now, but having worked my way...

Sh1t! - I should have kept a screen grab to post!

Perhaps you didn't take such care in putting in the remaining 180 results as I did! 63 points and we do stay up, according to that programme, if you input results as per your formula (where there were games between two teams that had to lose every match, I put them down as draws - except for...

Fair enough - if you want to waste a couple of hours of your life too, you're welcome!

Not if we win the next two we are not!

You'd be right not to. Also, I have to eat humble pie and admit that you are right - sadly, after a few glasses of red wine, I found this handy little programme - http://www.worldfootball.net/table_calculator/eng-championship/ - and, even more sadly I worked it all the way through, using your...

I'm still not convinced that those free wins which are no longer available (because they've already been played) won't work in our favour! Still, two things we can agree on, I think. Firstly, it ain't going to happen :thumbsup:, and secondly, if our upcoming tour of the west country brings us...

Yes, I see where you're coming from, but what I don't think you're factoring in is that we're 8 games into the second round of matches, so many of your 19 chasing teams will already have played probably two or more of the five teams who have to lose every match - so that's 6 points fewer...

So your prognosis requires: 1). Us to lose every match between now and the end of the season. Odds on that? 2). Middlesbrough, Hull, Charlton and Bolton to lose every remaining match this season, except those matches against each other. Odds about the same as for a Burkina Faso moon landing by...

Don't bet! But if you can work out a combination of results which sees us finish the season on 57 points with 21 teams ahead of us, I'll seriously consider the possibility of eating humble pie!

Yes, I'm sure. Do all the permutations for the remaining matches this season. Some teams will be able to get more than 57 points - but not 21 of them. If we started the season with two teams so bad that they'd only get about half a dozen points between them all season, it might just be...

Two different questions, isn't it. How many teams can catch us is one question. Can we be relegated is another. Every one of the teams in the league could potentially catch us if we have a bad run and they play a blinder. But no, we can't be relegated; that would need 21 teams to all get more...