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Well, so should Venables.

I can't help but be downbeat about England's chances, because frankly, its all I've ever known my entire life as a fan. Sometimes we put in a reasonable or decent performance on our way out (86, 90, 96, 98), but more often than not, we completely STINK the whole place out (choose pretty much any...

It was actually pretty hard to be a European nation and NOT qualify for the Euros this time wasn't it. (Scotland managed it again, obviously).

Germans will be semi's at least, obviously. But France will take some beating on their own patch. And Italy qualified well, unbeaten with 7 wins from a group including Croatia and Norway, they're always a good tournament side. I think we'll probably bomb out in the quarters against the first...

I've seen far worse. But I was being flippant. Sincere apologies if it upset you.

By playing to our full potential, but losing to the better team. Not hanging on for dear life and then (at best) flidding up on the pens, as is our speciality. Watch any one of our penalty shootout exits, and you will be besieged by chokers. From Waddle to Pearce to Batty to Lampard to...

Agreed. We're talking about England though - and when it comes to penalties, we are the very DEFINITION of chokers. Its what we do. We're famous for it. Its how we exit tournaments. I can't believe you're even arguing the point ! And yes, Argentina were bang average. A two-bob ragtag...

Losing on penalties is choking, whatever way you slice it. We can't hack it. 1986 we weren't even good enough to beat a bang average 1 man team.

We have choked at every single Finals tournament in my life. I see no reason why this one will be any different.