Of course. I accept wedding days and engagement rings don't come cheap and as you say, 12 years. Well that's a long time to know someone lovingly. I didn't mean to offend you or anyone else.
I'm crap at relationships anyway. :thumbsup:
Yes.
Britain could soon become like China did and call me old fashioned but I think you should be at least engaged or married before spitting out a sprog. :)