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Funnily enough, I was thinking of Down In The Sewer as an example of why they weren't specifically punk. Plus, it wasn't an overnight thing for them; they'd done the rounds of poxy little pub gigs for a while whilst the Pistols were kind of put together for a purpose and inspired the likes of...

You're (rightly) the font of all knowledge on The Stranglers but would you consider them as punk? Growing up with them at the time, I did as Rattus had plenty of stuff you could pogo to (Grip, London Lady etc) but, as I got older, I wondered if they just got lucky with the timing of it all.