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Buzzer - I don't disagree with anything there - but the tax thing was in response to you stating that no one pays tax on it - as you state now its already in the figures - So money laundered is in the figures - agreed? Drugs and prostitution weren't originally but you understand why they are...

Yes mate that's true but that's exactly why they are including the black economy - it's a huge part of the economy that's revolving in it but not in the books - it a bit like a club taking only cash on the gate and saying they only got 20k not 30k through the door - the money would be in the...

Yes millions of bucks that he didn't include in his tax return - bit like the UK bill really!!!!?????

Of course its double counting - the money you spend has already been taxed and it gets taxed again and again and again every time your £ goes from person to person. It doesn't stop when you give it to someone in the black economy it just gets taxed differently and its more likely to be on...

That a bit simplistic in its self - not everything you buy has Vat and you might not have spent it. and thats the whole point of including it in our figures the £100 you are spending on heroin wasn't being included in the countrys figures so in your senario you have say £140M of business...

I should add the greeks had a massive black economy - We knew about the bill ages ago but the only reason this is news is because it embarrasses Cameron at a time when he has a battle with Ukip for his votes. He has to show an anti Europe front or he's going to be blamed for losing

Of course Tax gets paid on the black economy loads of it - its called VAT The inland revenue might miss out on the Paye but they get a hefty percentage every time that money crosses into a legal till. In some cases some businesses are set up to launder money into clean they run the illegal...

The treasury knew in May that the upward revisions were going to be a problem - thats five months ago, they would have put the revisions in months before that - Aren't the treasury and economic advisors supposed to be aware of this sort of thing, most people know what happens when their last...

You can't come on here with rational thoughts like this - you will be telling us next that the main problems for the UK are not immigration or the EU but housing and quality jobs. I mean the only reason young people can't buy or rent houses is all these foreign immigrants coming over here taking...

Whilst I agree with your argument - it does depend if the family received the benefits fraudulently. In Greeces case they have a massive black market economy, so big sales of cash registers and till receipts went through the roof when they realised they now had to submit receipts. Whats a...

According to the radio this morning it was the UK that wanted to include prostitution and black market economy in to our figures and that led to the EC finance team using them in the calculation that led to the bill. probably another of Gideon & Co massaging of statistics to make it look like...

I don't know why some of you think that the left wing is pro EU and immigration - Real socialist parties are against immigration because it lowers wages for workers and they see the EU being in favour of large corporate businesses that want a supply of cheap workers to make money from. You need...

Exactly right - Sad to say I hate all of them, there isn't one party who is going to bring anything worthwhile to the country. The whole lot wants bringing down and starting again. All these charlantans and snake oil sellers do is tinker about with failed policies and failed economics, nothings...

Cameron will pay up - he's had the bill in his back pocket fro the best part of the week and hasn't dared showed us it till now. The interest on it is something like £42M a month + a £12 late payment fee and he can't get out of it. I'm still not voting Ukip though, I'm not voting for a load of...