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I get your point but it's about assessing us over 20 games. The last 10 games have included 4 of the top 6 and our arch-rivals (always a tricky one) so isn't it much better to try to assess how we've done over the whole season to date as a barometer of how we're doing relative to others? I do...

And if Bruno hadn't had that brain fart against Everton and if Murray had not fluffed the penalty against Burnley we would be higher...there's a lot more sense in debating where we are rather than hypotheticals. We've played 20 games and are currently 12th, I think that's enough of a season gone...

Ha! And I expect your own fans were saying the same thing this time last season too.

With over half the season now gone, where did you think we would be at this stage of the season? Despite a dodgy December, we're in a very respectable mid-table position. I've been looking at it as 6th out of 14 amongst the league also-rans - much better than I thought we would do way back in...