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Yes, but if you'd read my first post (not the one you've quoted) you'd see that wasn't the point I was making. I'm not talking about us not pulling out weight in NATO, I'm talking about us focussing our resources.

'Gamble with our existence'? It's me who should be asking you that. No, I don't want to 'gamble with our existence', you're the one who wants to blow up the world. And no we wouldn't fire nuclear bombs at a country that invaded Turkey because we wouldn't have any.

Oh don't be stupid it isn't the same at all. Also NATO members are bound by a treaty that says an attack on one is an attack on all, don't tell me you want to keep nuclear weapons on the offchance that the Americans won't honour their treaty obligations. And we haven't even mentioned the...

No. Even leaving aside the fact that the money could be spent elsewhere (although just throwing it at the current NHS would be almost as bad) if you assume it's ring-fenced defence spending it would be be better spent on weapons for the type of wars we'll be fighting in the future, not on the...