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So rather than being part of a democracy that is respectful of human rights, liberty and freedom of speech etc. You're quite happy for that to be eroded simply because someone else is not? That is your logic?

You replied specially to my post, why do I need to read the rest of the thread? You basically said that because the US has accountability and oversight, that is better than China and Russia in a nutshell. Or do you not really consider the wider implications of your posts when you make them?

So basically what you're saying is it's okay to torture people, to have unlawful worldwide surveillance, as long as when you get caught you say sorry?

The shame of America. You can hardly start pointing fingers at the human rights record of the likes of China and Russia if your own house is not in order.