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Don't give up the day job. :lolol:

Are you only 'presumed innocent' at the point of accusation? i.e. prior to being accused we are 'innocent', this is not presumed, this is a legal fact. Only at the point of accusation is our 'innocence presumed' until it is proven not to be the case. Once you leave court you are no longer...

I made it quite clear my point was 'in the eyes of the law' in regard to their legal status. I don't see that we are in disagreement on this at all.

You quoted 3 separate people saying the only people subject to libel would be those saying the witnesses were lying. I was answering that post in general terms.

Don't get confused with legal status and the accuracy of the justice system. Of course innocent people are occasionally found guilty, and guilty persons walk free found not guilty. No justice system is perfect. However in the eyes of the law, which is the foundation of our society, if you walk...

Anyone questioning either the defendants innocence when found not guilty, or the validity of the allegations from the witnesses would be equally subject to libel. Why are you drawing a distinction?

Exactly. There are some posters on here happily treading a fine line of libel law.

There are no grey areas in being found not guilty. You are in the eyes of the law completely innocent. Any statement contrary to that is subject to libel laws and could be considered a defamation.

Of course it does. You walk into a court as a completely innocent person until found guilty. A not guilty verdict confirms you leave a completely innocent person the same as you arrived.

He is definitely innocent in the eyes of the law for the charges he was found not guilty.

I think the only thing false here are my own posts.... DJ Leon - yes, I am wrong here!

Ultimately in the eyes of the law, their accusations are proved to be false given a not guilty verdict has been reached. Perhaps lying was the wrong word.

Like Stuart Hall you mean? The only reason some of the other trials have gone to court is because there are some greedy sick people prepared to tell lies in order to sell a story and ruin people lives. They've had no alternative than to act on these lies that have come from multiple sources.

At least he's escaped doing any porridge.

There will likely be a separate hearing at a later date to decide as to whether a retrial of those 2 counts is required or not.