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That is the same old line trotted out for generations within the game too but I am challenging the logic of why then spunk £millions of pounds to set up and finance a modern day Academy if ultimately you think the best thing for a 19/20 year old player is take him out of a first class training...

As an aside, I too doubt they are hoping to move him on, but clubs regularly offer their young players contracts even when they don't expect them to make the grade at their club, but might at another level and command a fee, if any potential fee out strips the value of the contract in the grand...

You can only possibly know the value or reason of any loan if you know what the medium term opinion that his club has of that player, it seems that any loan is met with posters nearly always saying, 'yep that will be good for him' All loans are not the same, we saw young players a couple of...

I am not saying they have, I am saying that the Academy system that spends £60 000 a week should be able to create an environment that might replicate Newport County's matchday experience, I hear the usual blather about it will make a man of him, playing for points, playing for the managers job...

You just hold on both Gallagher, Isgrove and Reed made their first team debuts prior to any loans and as yet have not played since, Stephens and Mcqueen have indeed used loans as a pathway to the first team, but look at Southampton's professional roster, their young professionals are not being...

I thought this was about the Ben White's and JMD's of this world, I am not too bothered about the Sam Gallaghers, Reeds and Mcqueens, that quite likely already have there mortgage paid off on their swanky houses and lengthy contracts, how old are White and JMD 19 years old ?? your examples are...

No no, you not going to get away with that; Your quoted loanees were: Sam Gallagher 22 years old: He made his first team appearances for Southampton prior to his loans, none after Llyod Isgrove 24 years old: He made his one first team appearance for Southampton prior to his loans, none after...

He has softened his position on loans and I accept that Les Reed isnt the messiah anyway, but it was his initial thoughts that I thought made some sense, especially in light of the massive investment clubs like ours is making. There is a problem in the PL with too many young professionals and...

What are you talking about uncontrollable variables for, that just another word for LUCK ............... Why do you think they has been a new categorisation of Academys to make clear of which ones should offer superior facilties, qualified staffing levels and development environments, thats the...

You are all over the place ................. It was actually Southampton's Executive Director of Football Les Reed that initally made me think slightly differently about young player development, when some years ago he said on The Footballer Footballers Show: "From a player development point...

I watched it all, some of it was outstanding, but without googling I cannot be sure which ones have been loaned out to League one or less, against the likelihood of those that have figured in their own clubs first team or at least Championship, you tell me. Its a valid point I would like to know.

No no no, its a view on the overall Academy system , not just ours, I happen to be posting in respect of a BHA players loan on the BHA forum so it is hardly surprising that I offer a view on our own Academy. For the record these modern expensive Academy's are being revalued as we speak, those...

Its the level that is important, you have Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City etc squirting players out to Championship clubs etc, and we squirt them out to League one at the very best, it isn't the same. It is an absolute travesty to try to defend multi million pound Academy's as if taking a kid out of...

You are going off piste, my point was how Academys that spend £millions seem unable to create a development environment where a player might not need to go to a League 2 club before he can be considered as first team ready.

Again surely the coaches, nutritionlists, psychologists, sport scientists, doctors and physiotherepists might have the skill to create a exemplorary development environment that should negate those fears.

I agree in part, but thats why I mentioned the £3m annual budget last season, that doesnt include the first team or building costs that was purely running costs of the kids up to U23's and somehow we then still use low level clubs to supposedly add another development element to our young...

Its wholly down to the club where they currently see his furture, I know a bit about him and I liked him, released from Southampton I belive and has a good physicality, good pace looked slightly casual or classy depending how he played.

I had an indepth discussion this week with a respected development coach and I mentioned this to him too. The Beckhams, Kanes etc muddy the waters, bizarrely if you ask a successful footballer, they nearly cite everything that has happened to him as 'helping' him achieve where he go to, whether...

I am not too sure about these type of loans and if I was Tony Bloom I would be looking at these closely, first problem from the outside is where precisely is Ben White in the clubs pecking order, do they really feel that he has a future at the club, do they think he has no future but would like...