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I am on your side, but thats worse than the first one !!! Stick to your logical argument and stay off those analogies :)

Are you kidding me :) Thats why it has never been used and that is the deterrent bit !!

The point is, that if you have it then you are unlikely to be a target. It seems that you appreciate the utter devastation of any nuclear attack, but then struggle to grasp the deterrent aspect of it, which I find strange.

The gist of your comment seems reasonable, we have aligned ourselves with the USA a country we share common values, enemies and historical and current military partnerships, plus they are the worlds superpower, so good friends to have. I think though your example is the wrong way round, I...

Yes, whether we bin it or not we will have our finger prints all over it, its just empty posturing unless you genuinely believe the West should give up any nuclear capability whilst China, Russia, Pakistan have it and others clamber to try and get it. It needs greater ideology than just wanting...

The irony is that you are saying lets hide behind the USA from the threat from China and Russia, the one nation you seem to hold the most contempt for. (you might not, but many from the left do). I think you forget that as on a previous thread Americans demand tipping for services rendered, so...

You have been spoilt, you have seen our soldiers go into battle, trident act as a deterrent and a political determination to express to others that we will not be bullied and you dismiss it all by thinking we should withdraw and stand by and see how it all plays out.

So we agree that we do have a some global influence and whether we punch above our weight or at our 5th largest economy weight it holds some global relevance, which is something you dismissed. I think sometimes the left are averse to embracing the power we do actually wield, just chucking your...

Exactly and they didnt and it was over 50 years ago.

That is utter b******s. We remain the 5th richest nation and to think that we have no influence on global affairs is breathtakingly naive or typically inwardly sneering. Of course the USA are the biggest hitters and although I agree I sometimes wonder if we ever impose any real influence on...

This is the point out of all the nutters in recent history and I think Russia and China have had their fair share, no one seems to have come close to pressing it. Can you imagine one nutter wanting to impose himself on quite a reasonable neighbour and the nutter is the only one with the trump card.

Well this is key, we would have our own button for our own warheads. Without it, could you ever see the USA contemplating ringing Downing Street, it offers some level of leverage which otherwise wouldn't exist.

Yeah down to us France and the USA ...................... Worth also adding the following GDP current prices: USA 1st China 2nd United Kingdom 5th France 6th Russia 15th Spanish 14th Italy 9th Sweden 25th Norway 27th Portugal 47th Typically I think you are underestimating the role we play in...

By saying outdated you seem to imply that they had some worth previously. How has a nuclear deterrent now become outdated, whilst other nations nuclear capacity hasnt changed or perhaps been enhanced. When and how has the perception of the deterrent changed ? I suspect years of non...

Well the European nuclear deterrent is interlinked with the Americans for sure, but they need geographical advantage to be a genuine deterrent so whether you want to just financially contribute or have a stake in the hardware its at the very least politically linked anyway. Firstly if you...

But isnt that exactly the point, its the deterrent that would stop us being fried and ultimately never needing to push the button anyway, but as soon as you take away that deterrent then that decision becomes someone elses.