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Well without actually achieving a recognised qualification it would be difficult to judge, you might just lump in those that are successful assuming they are academically bright when they might not be. Personally I dont think University is necessarily the best pathway, in some instances it is...

Everyone benefits from everything to a point, look we are going round in circles here. Pay for your degree earn your extra salary, increase your chances of having a fulfilling career, whether it is Science based or Arts based good luck to you and we will where appropriate cover certain costs...

I have said it is affordable and that in principle it seems reasonable that those that directly benefit from that education should pay for it. In a sense I agree that I think that the taxation system should replicate that, but where our views diverge is when you quite obviously have some...

This isnt make believe £ notes we are discussing here, there is a student being taught in all of this and an advantage being gained, I cannot comment on your figures but each political party seems to have stuck with it. Generally people that ignore savings whilst usually recommending just more...

Your just saying 'tax people more', which its not my politics and I dont get it, you suggest that you are not as well paid as your mates so I am guessing when you say 'tax more' you mean tax your mates more and leave me alone, it is the normal mantra of the left.

Either way, you have said that there are real savings and thats key, the rest of the debate, for me anyway seems a quite reasonable return from those accessing the extra education rather than spreading it throughout the population where most do not or can not access it.

There remains a saving, so as with all Government spending it seems reasonable to then investigate its merits, it hasnt effected recruitment or negatively effected the net earning power of those that then have to pay back their fee's. My wife has only now paid off her student loan and my eldest...

What ?? You are just saying tax more people and spend more money, some agree, I do not. Again the statistics show that those with degrees are more likely to earn considerably more money throughout their working life than those that do not, therefore those that benefit should ultimately burden...

Well I cannot comment on that as I do not know, but based on what it is today then it still seems a reasonable cost to offer an advantage to a job he might otherwise not be considered for without their degree.

Well you might want to say that the increase tax take from millions of others might effect those too, or you might want to say that the likely increased lifetime salary that degrees usually offer offset any disadvantage to any outstanding student loan, take your pick. Ultimately earning a...

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But statistically your view doesnt stand up, you are likely throughout your lifetime, especially if someone might be deemed a high achiever to earn considerably more if you go to university than if you dont. The payback is quite passive and manageable, it doesnt even start to kick in until...

But shouldnt that be reflected in their post graduation salary, rather than asking for a pre graduation benefit ?

Ok I may need to reposition myself here, sorry. Those on lower income families can access bursaries and maintenance grants, the cost for the degree will work in the same way as any other student. The payback only starts when each are in employment of £21000+, it seems reasonable that if two...

But you would only bee giving free university degrees, that absolutely offers a higher lifetime salary to the middle and upper income families, as the lower income families already have 'free' access to it.

I was pretending I was richer than you, ultimately you and I can never cover the costs of those things you want to give away for nothing, you know, higher wages here, free degrees there and more spending here and so on, so generally my view are those on the left want to 'pay their share' but...

See what I said, it isnt FREE, nothing is FREE its paid by you and others, its tough for you HT, but there really isnt a money tree at nos. 11 Downing street, although your mob thought there was.

I have to say that is a typical left of politics response, you seem unable to factor in any financial consequence, of course what you really mean is you will pay your share and make me pay even more.

Firstly student loans are available to everyone, you neednt require access to cash or raise a loan or re-mortgage assets, your obligation to repay only starts when you find employment with an associated salary above £18000'sh. It isnt a matter of wealth as prospective students coming from low...

I am talking perhaps in the context of opportunities given to a few but not to the many, privilege is not love and stability although it is of course a privilege to be given these by our parents, if that what you mean.