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Well productivity will not improve if we get a worse educated population in poorer health will it. Do you see how this works? Amusing idea that teachers should be fined for striking. They are. They lose money for that day.

Do most employed people get told it is a vocation so take whatever paid.

There are two types of inflation measures that pull together the basket of measures. RPI and CPI. Do you think that constant pay “rises”under these are okay? If so, do you think that pensions should stop being linked to inflation? I hear the argument “pensioners have done their time” so...

Isn’t it the definition of a real terms pay cut? If inflation didn’t exist then sure not getting a pay rise is not a problem. But when inflation exists and at the moment is high then it is effectively a pay cut. I don’t think anyone sensible is saying the actual take home pay has decreased...

So over a 13 year that line being that far under the 0 line does not show you that they are on real term pay cut? Some get progression pay but those at top of bands won’t.

I think the daily Mail is championing reducing pensions or possibly introducing euthanasia? Not sure which. The problem is that lots of people are too dim to realise they are being played.

Can you point to when teachers have had a real term pay rise then please? Ie when they have not turned down a pay rise when no inflation. Here is a useful chart. The teachers are not just striking over pay. They are striking because pay rises are from existing budgets ie money from...

It was a very bold shout for the Mail to slate the vast majority of its readers though! The amazing thing is that most of them would not have realised it meant them!

Yes. That is correct. I was just using data the dfe make available!

Fair enough. But anyone who claims that they are the only occupation needs to be called out. I am sure I read the department for educations own research showed teachers will on average work 50 hour weeks. If that is correct then teachers are contracted to work 1265 hours a year and 50 hours x...

Where has a single teacher claimed they are the only occupation who do that. My wife went to a meeting about strikes last night and came back in tears not sure what to do. The point that hurts her most is any pay rise is from existing budget. So they might get paid more but something else...

Grammar schools don’t receive lowest funding because they are grammar schools do they. If they receive lower funding it is because they have a cohort that does not attract additional funding. For example, they will get very little in the way of pupil premium funding and SEN money which is...

Quite. Because people can move between different companies which drives up wages to retain people. Unfortunately we are told that paying public sector workers who are all working for the same scales etc can’t have pay rises because it causes inflation.

Careful. Soon you will get the people who don’t know that schools are open for most of the holidays so teachers can work too. I was ignorant to much of what is needed until my wife started teaching. It never occurred to me that in a year 5 class she would have to plan for kids working at all...

See my first post in this thread. Taking your argument to the extreme you think they should just volunteer? If not then you think they should complain when the pay and conditions are not good enough. So when do you judge the pay and conditions are not good enough? (Assuming you don’t think...

Yes. I don’t think I said otherwise. I am just saying that the argument about moving up pay scales in the public sector, like many others, is old lies that people just parrot.

Not as many public sector roles het the structured pay increases you mention. Far more used to. Civil servants used to get “progression pay” within band but that doesn’t happen. So someone with ten year’s experience at a level gets the same as someone who is new to that grade. Teachers gets it...

So should just accept that hours get longer and wages get lower? When would you think enough is enough?

For the purpose of this argument can I just check something. So that your line works are we pretending that Uber drivers, deliveroo bods etc have not recently been on strike due to working conditions? The way people try to create a split between public and private sector is bizarre. Without...

My wife was home 2 days a week or 3 days a week. Her and the other year 5 teacher at her school took alternate weeks to do the extra day in school with key worker kids. When they were at home they were there for parents to contact with queries and had some lessons etc. We were actually lucky...