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When I first started drinking my mum and dad always told me when going to a pub for the first time visit the toilets. If they are bad and the public see that imagine what tthe cellars etc that you dont see are like this advice has stayed with me well during my life as a publican.

The last time was about 12 months ago and behind the bar was dirty and dusty the glasses were dirty and scratched and needed to go tbrough a glass washer with renovate to do as it says renovate them. This would then allow them to keep the head on the beer. The toilets needed cleaning and...

Having run pubs in the docks of East London I have seen some s..tholes but none as filthy as The ES.

To clean it using just disinfectant you would need to cover every inch of it not just throw it on the floor and in the urinals.

You must be lucky on the few occassions I have tried it the smell of disinfectant was overwhelming so much so my wife once said to me why dont they just clean the gents loo much easier and cheaper than throwing disinfectant around. In fairness it may have changed in the last 12 months.

You use the Evening Star, the filthiest pub in existence and yet condemn the Bell. Not my choice but certainly far better and cleaner with no smell of neat disinfectant lingering than the Evening Star.