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Sorry I misunderstood and thought the basic idea was based on the idea of the original firkin chain started by David Bruce of brewing in the cellar and then somebody mentioned making it a music venue and that was where I got side tracked about music in pubs making money.

That changes the outlook and concept that some have posted on here totally. I wish you luck in your proposed venture and will watch with great interest to any developemets.

Again you are talking of large pubs as music venues I was talking of your little local that has music on 1 or 2 nights a week and I can assure you that if we booked groups through an agent in Brighton we paid the top end of the scale I quoted. If we booked them ourselves through...

My suggestion was based on the fact that an existing pub had the basic essentials and you could still go down your route of brewing on site etc rather than incur the cost of changing a butchers shop into a pub plus of course most butchers shops would hardly be big enough to have a pub in that...

Another option if you have enough investors or sufficient money is to buy a pub that is on the market as a freehold but again the big companies wont sell them cheap as they would rather sell them off to a property developer to demolish and build flats. Purely for information if JD Wetherspons...

That being the case it is possibly privately owned and rented out rather than owned by Enterprise, Punch or another large company.

Which of the major companies would do that, none that I know of and I am sure that Biffer would agree unless it is on a short term lease as a pub that has previously had a number of people leave due to the previous high rent.

You are obviously talking of large music venues which concentrate on music but I was talking of the average small pub that puts on music as an added attraction to the darts and pool, which is what our pubs were, local pubs for local people.

More and more are closing down or as another poster pointed out not paying bands. I am talking of the 90s as I retired in 2003 during midweek an average single musician charged between £70-£100 a duo £130 - £200 obviously depending on popularity etc and bands £200+ they charged more at...

One of my old bosses insisted that we took 6 x a normal non music night if we put on music but I argued with him that the music made people aware of the pub and they came in at other times. His argument was that if we would have taken £300 we needed to take £1800 to make the same profit...

No I am not but as in your case I tried to warn you of possible pitfalls through someone else's experience and mistakes, which has been born out by a few. I am just putting forward a view from my own experience and that of many pub operators that live music in pubs generally gets the crowds...

The place hasn't even got off the ground and you are suggesting ways for it to lose money. Sorry but pubs with live music very rarely make money, the people that make money out of them is the musicians especially if it is a group.