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:wink: Back when men were men and women were women ??? https://www.google.com.au/search?q=androgynous+80%27s+pop+stars&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi23qr61dTXAhXGiLwKHUE5ByUQ_AUICigB&biw=1070&bih=542&dpr=1.1

Nah, really we should hark back to our own childhoods and assume that anything different to our nostalgia and time biased recollections is part of the fracturing of society or the left wing conspiracy designed to turn us into snowflakes. Its much easier than trying to understand something.

Sounds like bitter macho bullshit to me. Plenty of blokey macho meathead blokes around as far as I can see (I assume this is what you mean by Alpha Males). Plenty of tradies around too. If that is what you are into I am sure you can surround yourself with them. Noot sure how you can all be the...

You have surpassed yourself with this one TB

The media give us the stories we desire, most of it is crap and irrelevant. To me the media's output is a sad indictment of our society. People like to read about ridiculous things IHMO, although LGBT issues would be way down my list of banal rubbish peddled by the media. Are there many...

It amazes me that people are so concerned with how other people identify and feel. Surely we should just accept that this is a problem for others (even if we have no frame of reference to help us understand) and support them as they need it. To me it is ironic that it seems to be those who...

I suspect there is more to this story that meets the eye. However if taken at face value it is clearly a huge clumsy overreaction to the issue at hand and should probably be dismissed as an extreme and unhelpful reactions to the problem rather than held up as some kind of norm or perceived...

Lucky you!

Found this on WebMD - Explains it pretty well from what I can see (I am no expert) https://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/features/transgender-what-it-means#3

Very true, this is inevitable I think, thankfully though it won't stop people trying to understand the issue better.

I like to think that more understanding around a subject causes less confusion not more. While your hypothetical question is a possibility, i think it would be incredibly rare in a more enlightened society.

I think this is the crux of the discussion, you suggest that it is almost a negative to me a manly man or girly girl on the slip side it is also a negative to be an un manly man or an non girly girl. I think that if we discuss and analyse this stuff we might come to the understanding that people...

Brilliant post. You last paragraph is spot on, i feel that if this discussion helps people to feel less isolated less 'different' or weird then it is worth having. It seems to be that society talking about this stuff will have a positive effect on eating disorders, self harm and suicide. Aside...

I agree with much of this and also concede to be at the beginnings of my understanding of this subject. I have to say that the notion of sex and gender being different with one a born with physicsl attribute and the other a socially constructed set of norms and expectations makes my...