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I responded to your point about the 'quite good' sports section. You did not respond to my point about it not making up for all the other crap that the Sun are involved in. You are obviously happy to turn a blind eye to the failings of the paper for that sports section and that is your choice...

Yes a 'quite good' sports sections makes up for phone tapping dead kids, Hillsborough, a reading age of 8 (or whatever it is) and publishing biased at best and lies at worst.

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Never read his articles in the Sun and i have no idea of his motives in writing for either paper. I was making a wider point about journalism, I don't see how you arrived at this conclusion based on my post.

Maybe, but it should be about telling the truth.