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Fairs do's mate, we seem to have come to some kind of conclusion anyway. It has been good having a discussion with you. Thanks I don't envy you marking exams sound like a tough gig.

Okay, I understand your point. So what are the things that you see and hear on a daily basis that contradict what I have posted? What am I missing?

I am not willing to accept what an academic says just because they are an academic that is not the point I am making at all. Academics come out with as much nonsense as anyone else. What i trust in is the process that studies such as these must go through in order to be accepted. This process...

The thing with both you examples in that on closer inspection both cases fall apart. The sound good to start with and appear to make sense but once you look at them closer the evidence is proven to be of little or no value. I would suggest that this is similar to your DM article in that until...

So you are seriously suggesting that the daily mail quoting 'a spokesperson' is comparable with a cited, evidence based study by the university of Oxford? No wonder we disagree on this topic.

I agree that this is the crux of the matter but disagree that I am putting blind faith in the studies and stats that i am posting. My faith is not blind at all I have used those stats to back up the points i have been making. With respect in your last paragraph you have referenced people with...

Yes there is. If you wish to make a comparison on the number of asylum seekers that countries take you need to investigate more than one country. Surely the only way you can make such a claim is to use studies and statistics to see who is taking most? You have made a comparison of different...

Out of interest what makes you say proportionately more than others?

I think this is someone who is looking at the wider picture and trying to come up with a solution that is tolerable to everyone. If nations don't get together to find a workable solution that spreads the burden evenly across countries able to help then the burden will continue to placed on a...

I agree that it is significant that the media do not discuss the number of failed Asylum Seekers that are deported each year. The figure is 50,741 + those that are refused entry and then removed*. Out of interest Why do you think that this number has not been widely published in the media. It is...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/22/uns-francois-crepeau-on-the-refugee-crisis-instead-of-resisting-migration-lets-organise-it?CMP=share_btn_fb Someone at the UN agrees with me any way :) I stand corrected though, there are indeed economic migrants on those boats. How desperate must...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/22/uns-francois-crepeau-on-the-refugee-crisis-instead-of-resisting-migration-lets-organise-it?CMP=share_btn_fb Someone at the UN agrees with me any way :)

Sorry i get you now. My mistake I was thinking that the 6% was a 9%. just not reading properly. Apologies.

What don't you get? You inferred that most migrants turn up with the hand out wanting food, clothes and housing. I used that stat to show that 9% of non uk nationals (migrants) were claiming benefits so the vast majority were paying their way and working. You said that the figures didn't...

Okay one more crack at this: then I will concede that my explanations are not up to scratch The point i am making is that all those people on those boats and at Calais are Asylum Seekers. Those boats are dangerous and expensive which means that other types of migrants would not use this method...

Are you talking about migration in general or refugees? With migration in general I would be happy to say no if a referendum demonstrated its popularity. But as is often pointed out I don't live in the UK so it isn't really up to me. I mentioned this a few posts ago. If you are talking about...

The premise of your questions doesn't address the point that the 50 million have to go somewhere. The ideal situation is that their homelands are made safe enough for them to return (not very easy to find answers to that one). Until this happens then some provision has to be made for them...

No i wouldn't agree to a referendum on Asylum Seekers as i think we have a moral obligation to assist such people.And yes the Uk are a signatory of the 1951 refugee convention so are bound by international law to accept genuine refugees. As i have said I think the way that Australia treats...

To be honest I think you are over simplifying my arguments somewhat. My opinion is not about whether immigration should be reduced or not, I have never suggested that this should not be the case. In fact on this subject I am firmly in favour of a referendum on the subject and then to act on that...

It is also worth pointing out that the 15% of British nationals was an aside for comparison (it was in brackets). The 9% of non British nationals was the statisitc i was using to debate your argument.