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My point is off the field of play they are not treated the same or even close to it, and that will impact on attitudes on the pitch - if deliberate fouls had the same stigma as diving would we see it so often? Off the field of play diving (whether punished by the ref in the moment or missed) is...

1st October 2017. Away last season. 2-0. And every other previous meeting between us from then back to February 1983.

See? "It's taking one for the team" "it has to be done". It's cheating. And all the while we (as in British football) don't treat it as such, I don't think we (again, as in British football) have any right to look down on "them foreigners and their diving". If we so willingly 'justify' one form...

And the one that people never seem to include in the list of ways footballers cheat: deliberately fouling an opponent (to stop a counter, to stop him getting into the box). We don't just accept that, we praise it, encourage it, criticise players who don't do it. But it is a deliberate attempt to...