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@Giraffe - if we actually BEAT the Europe tracker points wise but fail to qualify, would that make you rethink what the points target on the Europe track should be?

#holdthenerve Even a battling draw v Palace would be ok, with the fixtures we have after. Just don't lose.

8th will most likely mean Europe.

Europe is absolutely on. A win against Bournemouth would be humungous on Tuesday, and even put us in with a shout of Champs League. Mad old season, this.

I get where people are coming from, but equally, we have qualified for European football ONCE IN OUR ENTIRE HISTORY. I think it's a bit early in our top flight adventure to be being choosy about WHICH European competition we qualify for. I also want us to do all 3, so let's tick off the...

That's great - until you see that we're 'meant' to get 3 points against EVERTON at HOME. Ugh.

I'd snap anyone's hand off for 8th right now.

Yeah this thread does help with perspective. A reminder of just how long a season is - there will be a time we look excellent again this season, I'm sure of it. Will it be enough for Europe? Possibly not, but it's the first season under Fabian, he will continue to grow and improve.

If it's any crumb of comfort I thought Newcastle looked utter cack (and very unfit) against Southampton, who handed them the game with the red card.