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I don't think ours was comparable to this one. With ours, it hit his hip and bounced up to the underside of the arm. This one, Keane's arm is outstretched in front of him. Not in a particularly unnatural position imo, but preventable in that his arm didn't have to be where it was.

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Agreed. Because the handball rule is a f**king mess.

To be fair, it wasn't a contest before the red card. Everton are crap and the only way they are ever going to score is through a defensive error (and as others have said, Liverpool look dodgy at the back so this isn't out of the question).