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Eleven PL games without a clean sheet perhaps indicates that we have deeper rooted issues that time will not eradicate.

Would imagine that Hibs gave them a better game than us.

No. Some of us knew that continually selling your best players would eventually end up with cracks appearing.

The best chance of winning anything this season was the League Cup.

He is right in that respect. We gave up. I was there I saw it. Players allowed standards to drop alarmingly. Four sub par performances on the trot. Pressure of a lot of games starting to find out RDZ. HIs decision making today was the problem.

I don't want a refund. I want my team set up properly. I want them to be given every chance to compete. Not to be at the whim of a manager who, at the moment, doesn't seem to know how to best rotate this squad.

I can only assume he wasn't that bothered. As soon as we saw the team we were flabbergasted that he wasn't trying to counter their strong midfield three. We weren't even competitive against a good team that didn't have to break sweat.

Were you there? Did you suffer 98 mins of utter shite. Did you not consider that the manager by playing Gilmour and Hinshelwood effectively handed Villa the midfield and allowed them to romp to a big victory without having to play particularly well.