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Unbroken. But sensible idea for you to leave it there - a few more minutes against Everton and in a league cup match we probably wanted to lose doesn't validate your 'judgement'.

I didn't say (and I don't think) I know any better - but anyone who analyses and dismisses as not good enough a player's potential on the basis of 15 minutes in a lost cause is a bit of a knob. That's all.

Spot on. Writing off a player after 15 minutes as a sub, in a game where everything was going badly anyway, is a tad ridiculous.

Opinions are fine. However, one made after 15 minutes as a sub in a dispirited side is by definition likely to be less valid than those of the people who are managing the players progress.

As I say, congratulations in judging him in minutes when it takes the coaches months. Super powers .......................

Well done on being able to assess Richards on the basis of 15 minutes. Wish our youth coaches and management could do that instead of taking two years to decide whether he was any good or not. Perhaps you can tell us whether to bother putting Turns on the bench again? Wouldn't want to waste...

More to the point, are we now allowed to mention the phrase 'fannying around at the back' without being derided by self styled purists telling us we're wanting to turn the team into long-ball merchants?

HMS? Severe flood warning thereabouts, is there?