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I agree that the organizers and authorities must do better. But if it is about blame then the blame lies with the people who 'did it'. Full stop. At Heysal, nut jobs knocked down a wall crushing people on the other side. You can argue that there should have been hundreds of armed police and a...

I fear that this is a 'contributory negligence' argument. Fan misbehaviour, jumping barrocades with no ticket, being dicks in the bars, storming fire doors etc is the fault of nobody other than the pillocks doing the misbehaving. I could provide an analogy but I can't think of one that...

Unfortunately we are in no position to negotiate conditions, let alone dictate them.

I saw one of NSC's lowest goons on another thread today, defending any oafish behaviour at the football if it isn't illegal. It is a sliding scale of course, but if your agenda is to slide as far as you can get away with, expect punishment when you slide into a bit of the brown stuff. Also, to...