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So if we need a point to stay up next year on the last game of the season you'd be pleased if it's Man City away rather than Norwich at home

I agree to a certain degree, though it worked at the last World Cup when losing to Belgium in the last group game gave us a much easier route, and Martinez's face after they scored told you everything.... I don't agree with the 'you've got to play the big teams at sometime so might as well be...

Of cause, but with Spain 1.38 to win the group, more likely one of the others

Indeed...Think 2nd in our group play 2nd from Spains group (Poland, Sweden or Slovakia) Winner of the group plays either France, Germany or Portugal ???