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  1. K

    [Politics] May 2021 local elections and Hartlepool by-election

    Well, none of that's true. 2005 and 2010 BNP poll approx 4000 2010 Tories 7000 2015 UKIP poll 7000, the BNP had no candidate. I feel it's fairly safe to say that a lot of the BNP votes went directly to UKIP - the tories got 5000 that year, again those 2000 probably went to UKIP. So the UKIPs...
  2. K

    [Politics] May 2021 local elections and Hartlepool by-election

    You make it sound like the whole of the northern working class vote the same way. Plenty of labour MPs in places that still have a bit of pride....like proper Lancashire cities like Preston
  3. K

    [Politics] May 2021 local elections and Hartlepool by-election

    Would you mind if I ask why? And also how would you describe your politics. just maybe a couple of things that are important to you. I ask because this is what i don't understand: I fully, and absolutely understand being disillusioned with labour, but I can't get my head around switching to...
  4. K

    [Politics] May 2021 local elections and Hartlepool by-election

    So, let me get this right, you're a 'social liberal' who won't vote labour because of 'middle class champagne activism' and you prefer the tories, who are upper class etonians?
  5. K

    [Politics] May 2021 local elections and Hartlepool by-election

    The 'man in the women's toilet' thing, is purely used by the far right to scare people about the trans community. It is a divide and conquer tactic. I suspect you know this. Nothing has ever stopped a man, dressing as a woman, and entering a women's toilet. There's also biological women who...
  6. K

    [Politics] May 2021 local elections and Hartlepool by-election

    Anything that's rooted in a genuine curiosity or question regarding trans people = not transphobic. Anything that demonises the trans community = transphobic (in my opinion, I do not speak for the trans community) So for example, as you mentioned before, discussing whether or not trans people...
  7. K

    [Politics] May 2021 local elections and Hartlepool by-election

    It's not designed to be a loaded question hate speech is any speech that impinges on the freedoms of someone Transphobia - anything that is said that impinges on the rights of the trans community Specifically - I agree that it's not necessarily transphobic, which is why I said it was a gray area...
  8. K

    [Politics] May 2021 local elections and Hartlepool by-election

    A few things to point out here is how this website frames the "cancelling" take Noah Carl for example: It's framed that he's banned for being right wing, where in reality he was thrown out for poor research methods and use of data. Take Jordan Peterson who it's framed as being cancelled...
  9. K

    [Politics] May 2021 local elections and Hartlepool by-election

    I'd argue that what Amber Rudd did was far more disgusting than what the students did but that's beside the point, the point is freedom of speech, and I'm yet to hear an example of something you can't say at a university etc
  10. K

    [Politics] May 2021 local elections and Hartlepool by-election

    Sorry, yes, I don't think I was very clear there. What I meant that Amber Rudd was prevented from speaking because of her involvement in Windrush, not for something she said. They weren't banning her because they were worried that she would say something offensive, but for what she did...
  11. K

    [Politics] May 2021 local elections and Hartlepool by-election

    But the majority of the woke thing, is just bullshit made up and blown out of proportion by the right. Take a look a Corbyn's policies (ignoring brexit ones, because that's a different matter) https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50501411 Which ones of these are woke? Which ones would your...
  12. K

    [Politics] May 2021 local elections and Hartlepool by-election

    I looked up the Amber Rudd thing, looks like she was cancelled for her support/ involvement in windrush. That was protest against a particular person, not stopping someone saying something. As for a terf protesting a trans rights person, then it looks like everyone from all political...
  13. K

    [Politics] May 2021 local elections and Hartlepool by-election

    I agree that 'woke brigade' won't resonate with a section of the working classes. That's not my point. So Starmer went down to one knee to show solidarity with anti racism? Is that wrong? You could claim it's performative, and you might be right. Are people of colour not members of the working...
  14. K

    [Politics] May 2021 local elections and Hartlepool by-election

    genuine question: can you tell me something, that a 'woke' person has said, you can or can't do, that you disagree with? I'd just like an example.
  15. K

    [Politics] May 2021 local elections and Hartlepool by-election

    yep, trump is considered a man of the people too.
  16. K

    [Politics] May 2021 local elections and Hartlepool by-election

    Politics is all about how you package things. People now equate the 'left' with Owen Jones type ***** and the metropolitan elites. However, if you give them a leftist policy, for example 'raise the minimum wage' or 'fund the NHS' they'll generally agree with it.
  17. K

    [Politics] May 2021 local elections and Hartlepool by-election

    I think you might be wrong. Labour has lost it's traditional vote, a swing to the left won't get them back. To get into power labour need to position themselves as a moderate party, with some decent environmental and socially aware policies, in order to win the middle class vote. they should...
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