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  1. Thunder Bolt

    [News] Baby murder nurse case

    The judge who awarded the leave to appeal. prisoners cannot just appeal, they have to be given leave (permission) to appeal. Then three appeal judges will look at all the evidence if the appeal is granted.
  2. Thunder Bolt

    [News] Baby murder nurse case

    A judge decides if a criminal is given leave to appeal. It’s not automatic like a prisoner stamping their foot saying it’s not fair. In this situatio, as Clapham has said, it is mainly circumstantial, but that doesn’t mean she’ll win. It just means three appeal judges will look at the evidence...
  3. Thunder Bolt

    [News] Baby murder nurse case

    Mitigating circumstances are for sentencing. Given leave to appeal means she thinks the conviction was wrong, completely.
  4. Thunder Bolt

    [News] Baby murder nurse case

    Being pedantic, that is what HWT said. A friend, not friends (plural).
  5. Thunder Bolt

    [News] Baby murder nurse case

    I don’t think victims feel cheated. As the barrister pointed out, some defendants actually stare at the families, make gestures at them, or pull faces.
  6. Thunder Bolt

    [News] Baby murder nurse case

    Some patients of Harold Shipman refused to believe he was capable of killing his victims. His charm and friendly manner, willingness to visit patients at home, were all part of his ‘plan’.
  7. Thunder Bolt

    [News] Baby murder nurse case

    Frankly, yes. Have you read the analysis by the barrister? What I would want, is for the defendant to be taken into a room where the judge can be seen, and the sentence very audible so they have to listen to it, and no minimum wage security guard gets injured trying to force the prisoner...
  8. Thunder Bolt

    [News] Baby murder nurse case

    It rarely happens and isn't a major problem compared to millions of us suffering from sewage in the sea, or climate change etc. It could even be classed as posturing for a populist opinion. This is a good blog from a barrister explaining why.
  9. Thunder Bolt

    [News] Baby murder nurse case

    Changing the management culture is key.
  10. Thunder Bolt

    [News] Baby murder nurse case

    Unfortunately, premature babies are at risk so a death wouldn’t be as much as a sudden occurrence. This was the same situation as Beverly Allitt where lessons were said to have been learnt. Clearly not. My daughter was born 19 days early, so was underweight. She developed premature baby...
  11. Thunder Bolt

    [News] Baby murder nurse case

    The Disney effect. Evil people are ugly and good people are attractive.
  12. Thunder Bolt

    [News] Baby murder nurse case

    She used several different methods rather than insulin, including over feeding with milk.
  13. Thunder Bolt

    [News] Baby murder nurse case

    Conjecture, but the affair seems to be a clue. She got a thrill from secrecy. After killing the babies, she was looking up the families on Facebook, reading their timelines.
  14. Thunder Bolt

    [News] Baby murder nurse case

    The whistleblowers were threatened. According to the doctor's account, the CEO also insisted the consultants apologise to Letby and warned them that a line had been drawn and there would be "consequences" if they crossed it.
  15. Thunder Bolt

    [News] Baby murder nurse case

    The hospital bosses involved should be charged with manslaughter for allowing her to continue to work https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66120934 We spoke to the lead consultant in the unit - who first raised concerns about Letby - and examined hospital documents. The investigation reveals a...
  16. Thunder Bolt

    [News] Baby murder nurse case

    She'll end up in a secure unit with Beverley Allit. Never in a million years will I understand how a nurse can do something like this.
  17. Thunder Bolt

    [News] Baby murder nurse case

    I agree. I watched a recent documentary on Harold Shipman, and how he groomed his patients with kindness, and that nobody would believe he was capable of what he did. That's how he got away with it for decades,
  18. Thunder Bolt

    [News] Baby murder nurse case

    I have read it, and immediately thought of Allit who is locked up in Rampton. Alleged killing of babies is such a horrific crime, that I didn’t feel I could start a thread on it.

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