Only because JRM was keen to avoid answering the straight question " are we going to follow British standards or Australian standards for Beef production?... No not New Zealand Beef... Which one is it? " The classic short clip of Gove " categorically" saying that British standards on food...
Further confirmation of why government ministers tend to avoid James O'Brien, he just does not let them off the hook! Fair play to him, he's about the only one calling out these lying, corrupt charlatans.