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Somewhere in between please. In my view what lockdown has demonstrated is that if you want freedom you will need to tolerate idiocy, otherwise rules will be determined by the need to control the idiots. The vast majority of people abided with lockdown rules, they understood the premis of not...

Absolutely, I completely agree with you. We have seen advisors to the Govt lose their roles already, anyone in a position of responsibility elected or otherwise should suffer the same consequences if flagrantly disregarding the lockdown rules..

Fair enough Deportivo, you have a point there, this thread must not be sidetracked by another post unless it only relates to Cummings......nothing else must be allowed. As an ex forces man I appreciate your deference to rules.......so as long as you are a shining example of compliance i will...

I will play along then, remove the whip and force them to step down. They knowingly failed to protect the NHS.........they should not be in Parliament. We can have the trial of Stephen in Neil Kinnock’s front garden.

Sure they were, punished they were. I have no doubt that those that were punished are feeling sore at seeing the likes of Cummings, Kinnock, Ali et al from the political class dodging a fine. There isn’t one rule for the establishment and one for the rest of us............and don’t run the...

I appreciate you don’t want to confront certain facts that arise in the cut and thrust of chat, but my first post today was about the gross economic negligence of the last labour Government. That was not about Cummings but no one came up with claims of whataboutery. Debates swing to and fro...

It’s a good question........i sometimes wonder that at 8pm on a Thursday.

That’s excellent, as a big fan of MontyPython I salute your work here....... The Larch. The Larch. The Larch.

I agree, I am on record agreeing sack him. As long as others that blatantly broke the rules too are also sacked and punished. Kinnock did, so did Tahir Ali, so did Jenrick. Sack them all.

MPs whether in Government or not have far more responsibility than appointed advisors, I am surprised I need to spelll that out to you. Still, every days a school day.

Based on the mood of this boards I also want Cummings out, as I want to punish other transgressors regardless of status. The NHS was to be protected at all costs, stay at home was the message, not Drive to Durham and then Bernard Castle Drive from South Wales to London for you Dads birthday...

I always like to reply out of courtesy, but this is nonsense. As a political message at best this is bordering on communism, and you maybe a communist at heart, and to be honest I supported much of their analysis on the workings of the EU, however communism as an ideology is an irrelevance in...

Indeed he did, so contemptuous was he about lockdown he thought he could do a 300 mile round trip to sit on his Dad’s doorstep. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/29/stephen-kinnock-targeted-by-police-for-visiting-father-neil Sack Cummings, sack Kinnock, Tahir Ali and Jenrick...

The only bollocks on here are those so dense or prejudiced that they won’t accept truth even when it is staring them in the face. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14888933 If you wanted to be less partisan you could reflect that the Tories could have been even worse at regulating the...

I suspect you will need an awful lot more education. Generally speaking “free markets“ including the labour market would be (in your likely crude orthodoxy) ideologically right wing (and of the Tory Party), seeking to apply controls on free markets would therefore be left wing. Unions back in...

I’m not twisting, transgression should have consequences, that is entirely reasonable. If the consequences are sacking and shaming, and I am fully comfortable with that too, then the consequences should be as harsh for other transgressors, whatever they’re background. Otherwise this railing...

I agree, as a publicly elected MP Kinnock is worse.

Ignore my posts then, but you can’t, like a Pavlovian dog you react first and think later.......actually I take that back, you just react. BTW I like your research you must be really interested in me, that’s nice if a little bit sad isn’t it?

Boo hoo, boo hoo.........let’s not have diversity of thought it’s much better in the mob, boo hoo, waaa, waaa.

Fair enough, anyone disregarding Government advice to stay at home, protect the NHS and save lives is scum........whether they are MPs, SPADs, sitting in the park or rocking up on the beaches of Kent from God knows where.