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  1. beorhthelm

    [Politics] Universal Basic Income anyone?

    i believe thats the number including pensions. if so have to include them, 52m population, thats £100 a week each.
  2. beorhthelm

    [Politics] Universal Basic Income anyone?

    current welfare budget is £126bn, for 46m working age population thats ~£52 a week each. if there is to be more taxes, thats acknowledging need for larger budget.
  3. beorhthelm

    [Politics] Universal Basic Income anyone?

    only way we'd have enough in the current welfare budget with a low payment, less than recieve by those on benefits today. so they would all be worse off. to cut child poverty by a third would need a rate high enough for incomes brought above median earning, far in excess of the numbers mentioned...
  4. beorhthelm

    [Politics] Universal Basic Income anyone?

    not really. just as some advocates might want to replace all welfare, some would set rules that keep all existing welfare. the political quarter most oftern pushing UBI would not support people being worse off. what we've found here is there isnt any concensus on what UBI should be. the amount...
  5. beorhthelm

    [Politics] Universal Basic Income anyone?

    suggest if we want to value and fund artists, some sort of grant or aprenticship like format would be better than benefits, recognising they are working.
  6. beorhthelm

    [Politics] Universal Basic Income anyone?

    illustrative numbers are fine, you've highlighted the tax increases will be needed. i misread earlier post, as the UBI would lead to tax increase.
  7. beorhthelm

    [Politics] Universal Basic Income anyone?

    my numbers are from Ukspending, i wonder how and why the splits differ. however i note you are including pensions, and the total welfare+pensions are £280bn, so not so different. and, now the costs are £436bn... it is about the money because once you accept the arguments on the benefits, and...
  8. beorhthelm

    [Politics] Universal Basic Income anyone?

    i was putting forward the obvious reply. you cant seriously believe this group would be a couple of hundred people, if it were it doesnt really address the point of principle of why they could choose to drop out of work. this needs to be answered, put along side the list of intangible...
  9. beorhthelm

    [Politics] Universal Basic Income anyone?

    because the rest of the nation has to pay for it?
  10. beorhthelm

    [Politics] Universal Basic Income anyone?

    a general alternative would be along these lines, to provide basics on means tested basis. this is apparently anathema to all sides politically, we cant even see the logic of providing food vouchers to those in need to replace foodbanks.
  11. beorhthelm

    [Politics] Universal Basic Income anyone?

    im glad the question is it workable, because thats the really important point. as concept its even gained advocates on the neo-liberal side of economics. the cost is high. take the working age population, ~46m, and give them £100 a month thats a ~£240bn cost. about twice the total welfare...
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