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I've encountered worse crimes on NSC :p

There are often disparaging comments about how politics threads on NSC develop. Well this one is going extremely well, and there's been an articulate, persistent advocate of UBI that has very much contributed to this :thumbsup:

Yes, but I think of money as a relation or a credit system. As soon as money is created, you have a creditor and a debtor. It's much the same as the balance columns of an accounting spreadsheet.

Yes, I'm convinced that the welfare state was one of the key reasons that gave The Beatles (to take just one prominent example) the opportunity to share their talent with us.

You will see from the above^ that neoliberals such as Milton Friedman have been advocating it for a while. I'm somewhat torn on it.

Another thing to add to this discussion is that it will mobilise mass opposition from most of the press, especially if it's funded through pursuing aggressive tax avoidance and evasion and/or progressive taxation and/or a progressive carbon consumption tax.

Agree with you on this, although there's a quite easy way around the 'too high' element: you just increase the reward and/or lower the number of hours worked required for those essential jobs that are currently low paid (which, of course, shouldn't be as the public are now beginning to recognise).